there is a trajectory on this and it's going for us. it's going in our favor. >> stephanie: absolutely. the only thing that bothers me sometimes about stories like this, is it's almost like, oh well, they have more credibility. what i love matthew is this is becoming not a partisan issue anymore. i think it's a human issue. it is a human rights issue. >> absolutely. but, you know, if we're talking about a general marketplace of ideas, conservative versus progressive, wouldn't it be nice to take human equality out of that question? and talk about other conservatives versus progressives, like talking -- you know, discussion points, take the idea of equality out of it. >> stephanie: yeah. >> it should not be a progressive or conservative issue.